FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by Scooby » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:58 am

Huge cost ??? What, for a small forum like this ??? Rubibish. It never used to cost much, it was the shop that used to cost the money and since that looks to be pretty innefective now why bother ? When you were doing the physical shop and I was looking after this end of it there were always decent monthly trading figures.

But what do you expect with an on-line shop thatnow sells only 1 manual (for a loader !!), 9 decals !!, 1 DVD, and no paint, a few clothes and some gift tat, not one magazine ? I've just counted up the decals that you and I used to sell on here and I got to 129. Commemorative decals, bottle openers, speed charts, Implematic stuff, the list goes on.

Come on Mr. Madders, you know what has really happened !
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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by Berk » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:26 am

Scooby wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:58 am
Huge cost ??? What, for a small forum like this ???
Well, they're using fasthosts, unless someone has convinced them they need a DS or such. Worst case is £20/mo.

Which is not a huge cost by my guess, at around 18p, per year, per paid up member.

I am personally more than willing to throw 50p a year into the pot to pay for forum use, and that of another person.

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by broadsword » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:35 am

I was going to avoid this one but hey ho, what the hell.

The forum was set up at a time when there was no social media (Facebook, instagram, twitter etc etc) - you can exchange views, discuss, post pictures, get into arguments.....err I mean friendly discussions :roll: :D . They were very popular (I use one called Stoxnet for the Brisca Stock Cars) as there was no other outlets at the time before `social media` arrived. They still have a place but have declined somewhat once social media arrived - not sure on the DBTC page but the `throughput / views` on the Stoxnet forum is still very high but user members drift away, that is life.

So, as we are in a new age of information a hypothetical question for you all. You are a farmer, tractor owner, like tractors, your Granddad had one so you have bought one, you bought a 990 Bottle opener on e/bay as you liked the style of the stickers (I kid thee not) and you want some information, advice or are just enthusiastic about them. You go onto the DBTC forum (via google search) find it and then find out that you have to join the club to do the above..................or, you go on Facebook join one or of two pages on there (one has 13,500 members, the other 7,000 members) ask for advice, get it back and it costs you nothing..?? Which one would you choose??? :roll: .

Regardless of whether you have got the right info or not, you have got the info, seen the pictures, joined in discussions and the big thing it has cost you nothing.

Use you forum as a feeder page to the club shop and also to promote the club and encourage ( that`s encourage, not hammer / force it home) to join the club, a few committee members keep an eye out and when you have an answer to a question recommend they may want to join the club, get the magazine etc., etc. Just make it member only and you will kill the place, user throughput goes down the pan, club shop throughput goes down the pan........and everyone then just uses Facebook instead ??

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by bedwards1966 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:32 am

Madders wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:11 am
Long overdue..... The huge cost of running the site which includes the forum has been borne by the 1300 paid up members.
What exactly is this ‘huge cost’?
Surely there’s revenue from the shop?

I think you might be overlooking the (rather obvious I think) fact that many or even most new club members will have joined after discovering the great forum.
When the forum becomes inaccessible to the majority and then dies it’s obvious that it’ll hit the club membership figures.

It might be less embarrassing to simply close the DBTC before it becomes an embarrassment.

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by Odin 8 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:54 pm

The Forum is 'Hotting up' again, just like old times, ************ F.B. steeling the DBTC Forums' thunder.

Keep posting your reasons for and against 'paid up members only'.

As Secretary, I can then log the reasons and we can have a debate over the issue. As one 'paid up member' kindly reminded me,, , "This Club belongs to the members"..

Yes it does, including the liabilities that have been brought to our attention. If the other Clubs are not dealing with this problem, then I am sure that it will be a matter of time before they do.
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Going to get back to my day job now, insurance is now my biggest overhead, I wonder why that is ?

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by poppydog » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:45 am

I would be happy to become a member because of the great advice I have had. However, if the likes of Ollek and co will not join then I feel the benefit of such advice will be lost and the forum wouldlose its high reputation. I would gain little by being a member and my advice would be of little help to others as I am a beginner.
Most similar sites over here have a disclaimer to the effect that any advice given on the site is used by the reciever at their own risk - let the buyer beware!

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by joeproctor » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:52 pm

broadsword wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:35 am
I was going to avoid this one but hey ho, what the hell.

The forum was set up at a time when there was no social media (Facebook, instagram, twitter etc etc) - you can exchange views, discuss, post pictures, get into arguments.....err I mean friendly discussions :roll: :D . They were very popular (I use one called Stoxnet for the Brisca Stock Cars) as there was no other outlets at the time before `social media` arrived. They still have a place but have declined somewhat once social media arrived - not sure on the DBTC page but the `throughput / views` on the Stoxnet forum is still very high but user members drift away, that is life.

So, as we are in a new age of information a hypothetical question for you all. You are a farmer, tractor owner, like tractors, your Granddad had one so you have bought one, you bought a 990 Bottle opener on e/bay as you liked the style of the stickers (I kid thee not) and you want some information, advice or are just enthusiastic about them. You go onto the DBTC forum (via google search) find it and then find out that you have to join the club to do the above..................or, you go on Facebook join one or of two pages on there (one has 13,500 members, the other 7,000 members) ask for advice, get it back and it costs you nothing..?? Which one would you choose??? :roll: .

Regardless of whether you have got the right info or not, you have got the info, seen the pictures, joined in discussions and the big thing it has cost you nothing.

Use you forum as a feeder page to the club shop and also to promote the club and encourage ( that`s encourage, not hammer / force it home) to join the club, a few committee members keep an eye out and when you have an answer to a question recommend they may want to join the club, get the magazine etc., etc. Just make it member only and you will kill the place, user throughput goes down the pan, club shop throughput goes down the pan........and everyone then just uses Facebook instead ??

Cheers

Andrew Armer
[/well thats hit the nail on the head!

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by Odin 8 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:35 pm

[size=150]Up-date.

As Secretary of this illustrious Club and being one of the named responsible for the Liabilities, I have spoken with Solicitors on behalf of The DBTC and they confirmed the Liability aspect of Social Media. This is a reality and not some feeble excuse to change things. Therefore certain members of the Committee will be having a meeting with Solicitors to take legal advice. The 'certain' members being requested by the Solicitor and enough to make a quorum.
Another request of the Solicitor was to our Insurance and are we covered for 'giving advice' ? So I have also contacted the DBTC Insurers, who know me, only to be told, politely, that as they have not had writtern confirmation from a past recognised member of the DBTC and that they are not authorised to deal with me. Well I accept this point so The Chairman will now be going to the Insurers to inform them of the new DBTC Secretary to autorise me to be able to deal with them on behalf of the DBTC.
Now I realise that this long winded yarn is not about hydraulics or incorrect filters , but does it give you some idea of the difficulties where we now find ourselves ? If something were to go wrong and the DBTC was caught with its' pants around its' ankles, then I am sure that all of you members would be critisizing the committee for not protecting you against the liabilities and the non-members using this Forum would be stating what a set of waisters we all are and that is why they never joined the Club in the first place.
At the moment we are here in August 18 in a post Facebook/Cambridge Analitica/Data Protection period. Claims outfits are springing up like fresh mushrooms in an August pasture. Between now and November 1st, a date in the future, we The DBTC Committee are dealing with a very real issue that has been brought to out attention. The expense of running the Forum is a red herring and is not the issue.
I hope this statement clears the issue for the time but please keep debating on the Forum because sometimes it is alike to an empty pub after good nights' session.
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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by joeproctor » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:05 pm

odin, i think by forcing people to pay to use the forum will loose members and as you have read some of the well respected factory trained men who answer some if not all daft/silly questions (only daft/silly if you dont know the answers) that we take for granted!
legal do you know of someone who has told a member to do something and its caused major problems followed by a court case resulting in conviction?
i have sat on the committee and been overruled by the majority only to find later and be told that i was right! i hope this doesn't happen ,my crystal ball is broke and i cant predict the future, but it is looking grim for the dbtc whether members or non members, the pubs empty and will soon be boarded up followed by the demolisher!
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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by Lofty » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:04 am

Seems like the forum has outgrown the club and should be distinct from it. That would absolve the club of liability. As a non-UK participant, club membership is irrelevant to me, but I’d be willing to pay a small annual subscription for the forum. Anyone with a ‘trusted’ badge should get a free pass since they are givers, not takers.

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by Scooby » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:15 am

I just do not understand this at all. What difference does it make if I am a paid-up Member of the DBTC or not ? If I am given advice and help on the Forum but it turns out to be bad advice then it all depends on what sort of a person I am, not whether I've paid a sub. or not. If I am a litigious PIA then I am going to screw the Club for as much as I can. If, as I like to think, I am a decent human being then I would put it down to experience/give the advisor some serious verbal stick/boycott the Club.

It matters not a jot whether I've paid a sub or not. In any event, when I ran the site I put a disclaimer on the site to the effect that the DBTC as an entity was not liable for comments/advice/help/suggestions to queries. It's not rocket science.

And I still haven't been told by other forums that I visit that I must join their Club and pay a sub. to use their forum.

A word of advice if I may to the Chairman and Committee of the DBTC. If collectively you are that worried about this dilemma then spend a couple of hundred quid on some legal advice. Not some neaderthal solicitor who just does wills and conveyancing, use a firm who specialise in Internet/Business law.
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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by bedwards1966 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:15 pm

Scooby wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:15 am
It matters not a jot whether I've paid a sub or not. In any event, when I ran the site I put a disclaimer on the site to the effect that the DBTC as an entity was not liable for comments/advice/help/suggestions to queries. It's not rocket science.

And I still haven't been told by other forums that I visit that I must join their Club and pay a sub. to use their forum.

A word of advice if I may to the Chairman and Committee of the DBTC. If collectively you are that worried about this dilemma then spend a couple of hundred quid on some legal advice. Not some neaderthal solicitor who just does wills and conveyancing, use a firm who specialise in Internet/Business law.
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The DBTC should take note of this.
A correctly worded disclaimer is probably all that it required, confirm this by taking advice from a specialist.

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by b-man » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:28 pm

so where is everyone else going when this forum becomes members only?

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by Berk » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:27 pm

Facebook or reddit will do it.

Unless there's a multi purpose vintage tractor forum, that'd work.

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Re: FORUM TO BECOME MEMBERS ONLY 01/11/18

Post by mikeadams1985 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:45 pm

start our own?
easy enough

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