what do they teach in schools these days????????????????????

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what do they teach in schools these days????????????????????

Post by Madders » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:05 am

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Post by Guest » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:24 am

Trouble nowadays with schools Chris is that they don't teach the alphabet and teach the letters as you would say them, they teach what they term as 'phonics' which just teaches what sound the letters make which is to a young child very confusing as there are letters that give the same sound such as C and K. It is not until a child goes to secondary school that they are taught spelling, pronunciation and grammer, as long as the written word 'sounds' right spelling is not taken into account. I don't think it's the childs fault, it's the teachers that are to blame as most of the Primary teachers are no more than basic child-minders themselves and are practically illiterate. I have first hand experience of this as my Brothers 8 year old Daughter is just beginning to grasp spelling the proper way because we help her, she says that the teachers in her school don't do that,no wonder most of the children are backward. They give 'homework' that even her Mother doesn't understand so how the hell is the child supposed to?

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Post by Scooby » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:13 pm

My Daughter and her Husband both teach at Repton, one of the English Public Schools. He is Director of Sport there. They both have proper teaching degrees, Sarah got hers from Oxford.

You have only got to have listen to them for half an hour and you get to know what a terrible condition the State sector is in.

We have a generation that we have let down very badly as far as education is concerned. That, mediocre parenting, slack liberal minded Government Ministers, and lots of other reasons have created something that will come back to bite this nation of ours in years to come.
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Post by simonwill69 » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:16 pm

Hear,Hear !

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Post by simonwill69 » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:17 pm

This one's almost as bad, but funny near the end.
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Post by Alchad » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:55 pm

Chris,

Shame on you - I thought we wuz gunna try and keep David's blud prezzur down and u go and post that link.

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Post by John_Allen » Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:04 pm

It's easy to generalise, but the two schools I worked in had excellent teaching methods. The last one, a comprehensive, monitored teachers very closely and has been made a (sort of) teacher training provider.

Most of the teachers I worked with knew the pupils. When my nephew was at school (in the 80's), his parents went to a parents' evening and asked one teacher about "Joe Jones". The teacher looked blank and said that he must be about the middle of the class as he couldn't remember the name; if he could remember the name, the child was either very good or very bad!

I suspect part of the problem is that pupils have to do ten or eleven GCSEs - which mean little if they take 'A' levels (as many seem to do at the moment). When they are only taught for about 25 hours a week, it must limit the time that can be spent on a subject! I know many less able pupils would have been better off if they only did three or four (eg English, Maths and a Science or two).

I was taught phonetic alphabets in the 50's and, while I'm not excellent at spelling (and went to a very minor public school), the method worked for me! However, in the late 60's and early 70's, the trendy teachers brought in phonetic spelling - eg ketul spells kettle! That was one of the things the Thatcher Government stopped (not a political comment!), though there was a Labour Education minister who wanted "all pupils to be above average"!

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Post by Scooby » Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:16 pm

Alchad wrote:Chris,

Shame on you - I thought we wuz gunna try and keep David's blud prezzur down and u go and post that link.

Alchad :twisted:
Nothing wrong with the old blood pressure Alan. 124/72 :lol: :lol: It just needs to be a lower viscosity that all you guys, that's all. Mind you, it makes my blood boil when I see our beautiful English language adulterated like that.
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Post by nevilleporter » Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:26 pm

The seller of that item is not a teenager, I would say in his 30s. I bought the 30TD crawler from him a few years ago, a good enough fellow to work with. There were spelling mistakes in that ad, and a few weeks after I bought the crawler some other "ebayer" listed it on ebay and even copied the spelling mistakes but took out the phone number.

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Post by denbute » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:41 pm

All that rubbish spelling makes it harder for a foreigner like me to read it. It makes communication more difficult for me. I sometimes sit in front of my screen speaking the 'words' out loud, just to be able to understand what they mean. The rest of the house thinks I'm an idiot!
I was taught English spelling and grammar by older teachers who valued correct spelling and grammar very high. Not sure if I'm making lots of mistakes, but as a foreigner it's probably allowed to make some mistakes.
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Post by Guest » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:09 pm

One particular thing that has in recent years spoilt the child and their command of the English language is mobile phones and the use of 'text talk'. It is acceptable to abreviate words that allow themselves to be shortened and still understood but to shorten a whole sentence or paragraph is just laziness.

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Post by Scooby » Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:33 am

denbute wrote:All that rubbish spelling makes it harder for a foreigner like me to read it. It makes communication more difficult for me. I sometimes sit in front of my screen speaking the 'words' out loud, just to be able to understand what they mean. The rest of the house thinks I'm an idiot!
I was taught English spelling and grammar by older teachers who valued correct spelling and grammar very high. Not sure if I'm making lots of mistakes, but as a foreigner it's probably allowed to make some mistakes.

Congratulations Denbute. Your written English is better than at least 50% of the indigenous population. Well done.
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Post by Madders » Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:34 am

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Post by manxmac » Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:43 am

Education in England is a total disgrace, the comprehensive system has destroyed our former ability to be world leaders in science and engineering. One reason for the poor spelling of our primary school children is that when first learning the alphabet it is illogically taught in lower case form as a result years are wasted trying to correct reversed letters 9 for p etc phone texting is another disaster.
Mind you I read somewhere that the biggest money earners are now Music, Media, TV and Computer games and they outperform any previous earnings from the rust belt industries

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Post by joeproctor » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:01 am

don't you think that all these problems start from home!

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