Engine Oil Filters.

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Engine Oil Filters.

Post by db2d » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:48 pm

Engine oil filters that are fitted into a canister have to have the correct seals so that the oil is directed through the element. All the cross matching I have tried for the Cropmaster/25 /30 and 900 type tractors has not been successful. Oil pressure is not an indicator that the oil is being filtered.

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by cobbadog » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:44 am

With mine, I was re using the original seals and the new filter sat at the same height as the old filter so it should be filtering well through the filter. When the lid is sat on and the bolts are started to pull it down there is a resistance and that would be the seals doing their job.

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by GeoffDEAL » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:13 am

Hi with a lot of research i found the right filter for the early Cropmasters -the short one, a filter & parts firm crossed referenced it in manuals they had and came up with a Ryco R2601 it also fits some Mercedes cars and is a perfect match with old filter including end sealing. However i have not found a later longer filter yet for later Cropmasters 30c-d and 25 series, all so far need extra end seal washers even though they are listed as the correct filters BUT WILL NOT SEAL TO FILTER THE OIL !!

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by cobbadog » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:51 am

G'Day Geoff,
When you say, short or long, do you have those sizes handy?
It just might help me out when I get RedPoint to go searching through the Baldwin filter catalogue.

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by db2d » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:45 am

The sealing disc that is required as part of the sealing arrangement for the short filter is a DB part that is not available. The long, felt type, filter was superseded and became obsolete sixty years ago.

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by GeoffDEAL » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:22 pm

The short filter is for the early cropmaster alloy housing is 104mm long including good end seals same as old felt filter, the later original longer filters are 155mm including cork end seals some of last filters had rubber lip end seals and same length both paper filters. Most available now dont have correct end seals but could be corrected with neoprene washers top and bottom if the overall length is the same.

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by ollek » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:26 pm

At first I thought I would stay away from this, but now I have decided to give my input to this lengthy discussion as it seems that information's given by a person who knows all this is not listen to. Please by your filter from the company in the following link, and you will get the correct one right away without any hassle http://www.davidbrownparts.com/page69.html I do not think there is any need to try to find a working substitute as there is no working ones available on the free market. No filter manufacturer is making completed filters that fits to these old tractors. The company mention in the link have some filters specially made to the correct design. These filters can only be obtained from the company in the link. I do not think, "living on the other side of the globe" is a valid excuse, as all parts are anyhow shipped around the world, even if you go and by the pert from a local shop.

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by broadsword » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:39 pm

The DB parts one is a standard filter - cannot remember who makes them (Fram / Crossland ?? ) but it is the rubber bellows at the ends that are the important bits.
Now if you were to get the filter and re-use the bellows........

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by GeoffDEAL » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:46 pm

Sorry ollek i should have mentioned that the filters from the DB shop are the correct ones and do fit correctly, was and have been looking at alternative filters that can be purchased localy from other suppliers as have many others.

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by cobbadog » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:27 am

I echo Geoffs' comments. YES DB spares do supply the correct part. YES we do want to be able to get what is required locally. YESS the locally sourced filter used with the original seals does work.
At least we all agree.

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by GeoffDEAL » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:32 am

Hi cobbadog Fram Extra Guard CH801BPL filter looks to have the correct end seals cross ref to Fleetguard is LF 594 But not sure on end seals untill i see an actual one, these cross ref to Wix 51183 used on some Jag cars Wix 51193 Nissan trucks, AC-Delco AC34A & AC34C , Hastings LF112 & LF171 ,Crossland 414 , GUD S-0771 , Napa 1193, all would need checking against an original filter but the Fram and maybe Fleetguard look promising, cheers Geoff

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by cobbadog » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:39 am

Great and very helpful info mate. I look forward to any further details as it will help many D.B owners out locally with sourcing the correct parts and quickly.

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by GeoffDEAL » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:18 am

Hi the diameter of some filters is very important as the DB cast iron canister has bumps in the casting lower down that some filters will not fit past, DB didnt machine much inside the housing its just as cast, i have a spare housing that i can try different filters in but have yet to find correct filters.The Wix 51183 is to big in diameter an does not fit. Will be going to see my filter company that found the correct small filter for older Cropmaster, with housing and lid to see what they can get to fit, they use manuals not computer x refs . cheers Geoff

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by GeoffDEAL » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:27 am

Have been to see filter supplier who had correct filters in stock that actually fit the housing and are near the correct length But require the cork or rubber washers off the ends of your old filter. Sakura EO-30120 is the filter. The filter supplier for locals is South Island Filters 22 Racecourse Road Sockburn Christchurch NZ . cheers Geoff

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Re: Engine Oil Filters.

Post by cobbadog » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:56 am

Good info Geoff.
When I get to paint mine which hopefully will be soon I will be doing a service on the tractor and will need another filter for that. I will run that brand and number past my supplier when it is time to see what he comes up with. He loves dropping oils and filters off here as he too has an interest in these toys and always goes out of his way to find what is needed.

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