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davew
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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by davew » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:24 am

Good find. Just what I’m looking for. My loader plate has LQ9 stamped on it plus the controls are operated via cables to the valves which are bolted low down on the loader bracket which I believe is for a Q cab

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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by DB780 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:42 am

Scooby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:26 pm
I think I understand that DB. But is the stay adjustable, a bit like a top link, or do you tighten up the nut and washer on the end of the stay after it's passed through the plate 8 ? And where do the bolts 7 screw into ? Into the chassis but further back and in-line with the bell housing somewhere ?
The listing notes 4 nuts so there is 1 either side of item 8 and adjust as nesessary. I cannot remember where the bolts 7 go but I am sure it will be clear when you offer 6 too the tractor.

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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by Scooby » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:01 am

davew wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:24 am
Good find. Just what I’m looking for. My loader plate has LQ9 stamped on it plus the controls are operated via cables to the valves which are bolted low down on the loader bracket which I believe is for a Q cab
I scanned the manual but it runs to 18 pages, I have scanned each page as a separate .pdf file. and because it needs to be in reasonably high definition I will have to send it via email. Can you confirm that your email address is the name of a place beginning with the word lower (presumably where you live) and that it is a hotmail.com address. If it isn't then please send your email address to me via a PM on this site and I will then be able to send the manual.
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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by Scooby » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:08 am

DB780 wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:42 am
The listing notes 4 nuts so there is 1 either side of item 8 and adjust as nesessary. I cannot remember where the bolts 7 go but I am sure it will be clear when you offer 6 too the tractor.

I presume that the design team at DB thought that because the loader was attached to the chassis which was part of the integrity of the engine that they thought there needed to be some sort of restraining device in order to prevent distortion of the chassis on the larger 1200 series tractors ?
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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by dbiow » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:10 pm

They go back to the pickup hitch brackets on my 885 (79 q cab) my loader isn’t a power loader just a trip.
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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by Scooby » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:01 pm

dbiow wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:10 pm
They go back to the pickup hitch brackets on my 885 (79 q cab) my loader isn’t a power loader just a trip.
Thanks for that dbiow but sorry DB and the men at Leigh. That looks a horrible bit of engineering to me. Almost like an afterthought. I hope the late Fred Williams had nothing to do with that. :oops: Having said that Fred was a good man. The pinion shafts in the reversible ploughs wouldn't have kept breaking if the powers that be had let him use the right grade of steel. He told me that himself.
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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by db2d » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:10 pm

The stay between the loader frame and the drawbar was introduced on the AL2 loader.

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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by Scooby » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:11 am

db2d wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:10 pm
The stay between the loader frame and the drawbar was introduced on the AL2 loader.
Am I correct in thinking that the stays were introduced because there had been problems with the way it had been mounted on the chassis and with bigger tractors, more power, better grip, that the arrangement had started to compromise the integrity of the chassis/engine relationship ?
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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by db2d » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:51 am

The stays were on as part of the construction on the AL2 loader from their introduction. They were a adjusted to eliminate any movement of the loader main frame mounting point where it was connected to the tractor.

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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by Scooby » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:56 am

db2d wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:51 am
The stays were on as part of the construction on the AL2 loader from their introduction. They were a adjusted to eliminate any movement of the loader main frame mounting point where it was connected to the tractor.
But that was where and how the earlier loaders were mounted, i.e. alongside the chassis, wasn't it ?
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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by SteveCollett » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:58 am

We had an early LQ9 loader on a 996. They had another poor design, in the cable connecting the spool valve to the in cab control levers. these were forever snapping and quite a pain to change. not sure if it was ever sorted.

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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by skyrydr2 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:50 am

Thank god here in America we had better loader options for the David Browns... the ones I have seen on your Europe versions look scary.
I couldn't imagine loading cow manure with a trip bucket.. the splashing would make a horrific mess every time it was tripped to dump. Yuck!

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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by db2d » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:53 am

If the stays were not adjusted properly, the bolts holding the loader frame to the tractor chassis would become loose.

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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by Scooby » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:47 pm

I think I may have solved my own conumdrum. It appears that loaders for 770 & 780 tractors never had the stay. They were AL4 & AL4S loaders, which were subsequently called the L7 & LS7 loader. The loader that I had on my 1967 990 I believe was an AL/2 which was discontinued at ser. no. AL/2/22840 and then called an L9 or an LS9 depending on specification. That would explain why my loader, shown below, didn't have the stays because I think it must have been one of the early ones to fit the Selectamatic range.

I also owned at one time a later 990 with a digger and loader on and the stay can just be made out I think. Again, see the image below.

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Re: Anybody know what this is please ?

Post by ollek » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:03 pm

skyrydr2 wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:50 am
Thank god here in America we had better loader options for the David Browns... the ones I have seen on your Europe versions look scary.
I couldn't imagine loading cow manure with a trip bucket.. the splashing would make a horrific mess every time it was tripped to dump. Yuck!
Have you ever thought of not lifting the bucket up to 10 feet before you trip to dump? Just lift to one or two feet before tripping and then lift to clear the heap. This is more a driving habit than anything else.

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