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Battery Tray/Box

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:43 pm
by barryt
My 1948 Cropmaster battery holder has one end cut off to enable the fitting of a 12 volt battery. I need to sort this out but unsure of how it should be as standard for this model. I've seen some batteries housed in a complete wooden box , others with a wooden cover only, or the metal banded holder such as I have at the moment, were these wooden covers/boxes ever a standard item on the Cropmaster VAK1c

BarryT

RE: Battery Tray/Box

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:08 pm
by Guest
As far as I am aware they all had the 'basket' type battery holder for the single 6V battery, it was only the tracklayer tractors that had the battery housed in a wooden box.

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:52 pm
by broadsword
Barry,

not sure but the Petrol/TVO`s had a low slung box set low down that had the battery sat in the carrier itself (6v), the diesels had a higher set battery mounting box where the battery sat on top of the carrier with a metal lid on top but a wooden (dovetailed) wooded box surrounding the battery (on both sides of the tractor - ie 2x6V for extra cranking power) - they had a CAV transfer on the side as they had the CAV diesel pump fitted so it was a bit of a marketing ploy no doubt.
The wooden boxes look great but try finding someone that can do dovetailing in wood nowadays!! - I`ve yet to find someone!! - for originality the TVO`s I think did not have them but they do look good with a wooden box

Cheers

Andy

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:26 pm
by db2d
The Petrol/TVO Cropmaster battery, six and twelve volt sat in the carrier and was secured with a bakelite cover.
The very early diesels had two six volt wooden clad CAV batteries on the drivers side and the later ones had one battery on each side secured with metal covers. The wooden cladding was part of the battery.

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:34 pm
by barryt
Thanks guys it seems from your replies that mine has it's original basket type holder but somewhat butchered to take a 12v battery so I will get a new one made to match the existing. Andy I'm a Joiner by trade so the dovetailing would not be a problem but I will not be going down that avenue as it would not be original.

Are the Bakelite covers available anywhere ??

BarryT

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:51 pm
by broadsword
Well know I know where to get my dovetailed battery boxes from in the future!!.

Do not think (unless someone knows otherwise) that the bakerlike ones (or repro`s) are available - one for a VAK1 appeared on e-bay a while ago and made crazy money but I`ve never seen one Barry - suspect most went brittle and broke up.

This is what they should look like - a picture from Stuart Gibbards book and also the wooded set up on the Diesel.

Andy

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:10 pm
by Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:12 pm
by db2d
They occasionally appear on eBay

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:19 pm
by db2d
The battery cover from old20tractor parts is nothing like the one for the Cropmaster.

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:41 pm
by Guest
Standard Lucas eqipment, exactly the same. Exide branded ones were also fitted, they came with either.

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:01 pm
by db2d
They are not the same as the original ones on the Cropmaster.

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:05 pm
by case-ih1594
http://www.carrotcycles.co.uk/batteries ... -case.html

Is this similar ?

Although it may be for a motorcycle - but you get the point.

or:

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Jaguar-XK120-Luc ... EWnu3SIvTw

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:35 pm
by Guest
The Carrot Cycles unit is a plastic case that resembles an original battery, it's just a case that you put a modern battery in to give it an authentic period look. The one for the Jaguar type battery looks more like it but probably too small.

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:46 pm
by db2d
The one for the Jaguar looks the part providing the dimensions and the logo are ok.

The ones from old20parts are fourteen inches long for the large batteries that sat on trays either side of the Ferguson gearbox and are totally unsuitable for a VAK1c.

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:14 am
by Guest
If the battery used is smaller than 14"1/2 x 8"1/4 then it will not be suitable but if the OP has to reconstruct the battery carrier perhaps he could make it to fit the type of 6V battery that the later models employed, one of these covers would then definitely fit.