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SteveCollett
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RE: weight

Post by SteveCollett » Tue May 06, 2014 9:30 am

I would hesitate to call it appalling just because the first posters mis read the question.

The regulations themselves are incredibly complex. and you can be certain many people are driving vehicles out there without the correct licence.

One small example.
It does appear that if you want to drive a Digging machine i.e.. a JCB you can do this provided you have a Cat B licence.
But this only covers wheeled diggers up to 8 tonnes.
A Cat B1 licence does not appear to have this restriction on it. This would appear reasonable but a Cat B1 licence does not cover you to drive a car just a tricycle or other light vehicle !

The most important thing to remember, is that a car Cat B licence, does entitle you to drive anything as a learner driver, so for any normal one seated vehicle you can drive it but hang L plates on if you are unsure about the category. A Cat F licence does not cover you to drive anything but an agricultural tractor.
Next question, if you are driving ann agricultural tractor without a full licence, and it has a passenger seat, do you need a qualified passenger? According to different government sites yes and no!
No wonder somebody said the law is an ass

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RE: weight

Post by Guest » Tue May 06, 2014 12:52 pm

Another 'the Law is an ass' rule regarding agricultural tractors and the highway is that you can take your tractor test at the age of 16 but whilst driving the tractor to the test and during you must display L plates, the 'ass' part is that you can drive a tractor on the road without having passed the test when you're 17 with L plates but you are not permitted to carry or tow any implements or machinery. Steve is quite correct in saying that the regulations, Laws and license classes are complicated, open to interpretation and at times contradictory. On some vintage tractor insurance policies it will state that if you are attending a vintage rally or show and not using the tractor for agricultural purposes at the time, the carrying of passengers is permitted. This does not relate to someone riding on the tractor with the driver, it refers to a trailer with seating, the Law states that no passengers are permitted to ride on an agricultural tractor unless an appropriate seat is provided. The appalling part of this discussion is that some seem to be so narrow minded that they find it difficult to accept that topics do tend to 'expand' and digress on a theme into other areas, which makes these discussions much more interesting.

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RE: weight

Post by cropfaster » Thu May 08, 2014 8:23 am

Hi, Calling me "Narrow Minded" does not change all the rambling or the fact that so far no one has asked John which car licence he has or when he passed his car test.All the other information is great, but has John had his question answered yet!?

John_Allen
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RE: weight

Post by John_Allen » Thu May 08, 2014 9:16 am

In moderator mode:

Perhaps we should refrain from name calling and wait until John comes back with a response.

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RE: weight

Post by Guest » Thu May 08, 2014 11:04 am

I didn't know there were any more than two classes on a normal driving license that allowed you to drive a car, A and B, all the other classes mentioned on it are the additional classes and types of vehicle you can drive on that licence, for other classes you need a different license or licenses with the addition of proficiency certificates and other qualifications for specific types of vehicles.

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RE: weight

Post by JamesF » Thu May 08, 2014 12:20 pm

A normal driving licence automatically carries categories AM which I think is for moped, A with certain engine size and age restrictions, B which is normal car, B1 which is a van such as a Luton van or transit type van and f,k,p,q which is agricultural vehicles, pedestrian or possibly large ride on mowers, some specialist disabled vehicles and something else. Interestingly someone mentioned tracked vehicles earlier, I believe this category requires a further test to be passed before it can go on the licence.

I think that the original posters question was answered quite well within this topic and I think a good amount of other useful and relevant information has been discussed here. Well done everybody!!

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RE: weight

Post by Guest » Thu May 08, 2014 1:17 pm

For the benefit of the older members here we must be aware that since we took our tractor test or waited until we were 17 and took our car test things have changed somewhat and more restrictions and further examinations/tests have come into being to be able to operate and drive certain classes of vehicles on the public highway. The information is out there and all on the DVLA website.

SteveCollett
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RE: weight

Post by SteveCollett » Fri May 09, 2014 8:49 am

Now I have found another site to confuse us all far more
https://www.gov.uk/changes-to-the-drivi ... -explained
Note in this one Cat B1 definitely has a weight restriction of 550KG so definitely excludes Tractors and virtually all Vans
But I would think very few people have just this licence without a full Cat B

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RE: weight

Post by Guest » Fri May 09, 2014 9:54 am

That's what keeps them in employment, making up new rules and changing things! You must read 'between the lines' and look at the positives though, having to pass various tests and filling in any medical details should raise the level of competence and keep us safe from the untrained and inexperienced who would otherwise be able to drive and ride vehicles that they possibly could not handle. Another thing to consider, I don't really know how true this is, but if you change your old green paper license, those that are old enough to have one that is, for one of the new type, you have to renew it every five years otherwise it's void, if you have one keep an eye on the expiry date, apparently thousands of people have been caught out by this.

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RE: weight

Post by JamesF » Fri May 09, 2014 10:04 am

You have to renew the plastic photo card driving licence every ten years because your appearance may change. They want the photo updating every ten years more than anything. The renewal period may change the older you get. I think it's less than ten years when you reach a certain age

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RE: weight

Post by Guest » Fri May 09, 2014 12:14 pm

Whatever the period of time is some while back people with photo card licenses were getting summonses for expired license, they had no idea there was a time limit on them, apparently it was not made clear which brought it to the attention of those that held this type of licence, something else that the DVLA omitted to tell anyone.

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RE: weight

Post by case-ih1594 » Fri May 09, 2014 7:56 pm

Hi, sorry to 'bump' this one up again, but I would like to defend all posters because, as already mentioned, people are only trying their best to answer questions that are often vaguely put, and the topic may go off on a tangent, especially when the original poster does not return or seek further guidance.

Many questions on here are not straightforward and the answer would depend on may factors (such as when the poster did his license, which country he/she was in, what category it is for etc.). The forum is, essentially, a "David Brown" tractor forum and the issue of driving licenses - as mentioned - is a grey area and has some anomalies. The posters are often humble farmers or mechanics etc. and probably not DVLA / VOSA approved, so much of the information will be from memory, tales or basic research undertaken to (try to) answer the topic.

The 'no holds barred' approach taken the DBTC, posters and especially it's patient moderators is commendable and very unique.

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