DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

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Vic
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DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by Vic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:07 pm

Hello can anyone please identify the front axle on this wide door S Reg 1210?
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RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by case-ih1594 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:15 pm

Hi, yes it is a Kramer axle (made in Germany). It would have originally had the Kramer alloy badge glued onto it. You can see the place where it would have been - right hand side (of the photo) on the axle beam.

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RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by TEZB » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:16 pm

yes it's a Kramer, also it's a narrow door cab

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RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by Guest » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:10 pm

To be precise it's the Kramer MK11 (mark 2). These axles were very good but needed regular maintenance and the UJ's regularly greased. If the UJ's need replacing you can expect to pay around £1000 EACH side for new ones, if you can get them. From previous enquiries about parts for this axle Kramer, or ICP (Industrial & Construction Parts) as they are now trading as, no longer manufacture them or keep spares for them on the shelf.

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RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by Vic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:34 pm

Many Thanks to you all for the information, the dealer in Taunton who is checking the tractor said it was not a Kramer so I am grateful for your help.

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RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by Guest » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:52 pm

This axle did look very much like the David Brown axle and could easily be mistaken for one or the other but by the time this tractor was made, 1978/9 the D.B axle was discontinued, they were however fitted to some of the late 995/6 tractors. There were a few of the very late 12 and 14 series tractors fitted with the Carraro axle right at the end of production just prior to the launch of the then new 90 series tractors in 1980.

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RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by Vic » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:14 pm

Thank you again, Powerrabbit.This site and its contributors are wonderful.I have recomended it many times to potential tractor owners Thank you

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RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by mc » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:56 pm

As other contributors have identified the axle pictured on the DB 1210 tractor is a Kramer axle. So far as I am aware the David Brown axle was never fitted to the 1210 & 1410 tractors for the UK market. The DB axle was used on the 990 & 996 models for the UK market & then carried over to the 1290, 1390 & 1490 models. To change the subject slightly, I have seen in one or two publications recently reference to a DB 995 4WD model from the late Q cab period. Has anyone ever seen one of these?

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RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by Guest » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:10 am

A friend of mine has one and it has the D.B front driven axle. The D.B axle was fitted after the Kramer on only a very few late tractors, 1978 to 1979 and these tractors were also fitted with the wide door VQ2 cab, not the VQ narrow top door cab as fitted to this 1210 tractor. There were also a few late models just prior to the introduction of the 90 series fitted with the Carraro axle. All 90 series 4WD models from their introduction were fitted with the Carraro axle.

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Re: RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by case-ih1594 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:27 pm

The DB 90 Series was fitted with DB made axle when introduced, but the later ones had the Carraro axle (1983/4 ish). The DBTC photo pages shows one fitted with DB axle (one with the grader blade).

The article on the DB test track also shows a 1490 with DB axle. Although the DB 995 etc could have had the Carraro axle fitted for export models, which is an earlier tractor, it took several years before the UK models were offered with the Carraro axle (with limited slip differential).

Some sale brochures from about 1983/4 shows both axles being offered. The Carraro axle presumably being more expensive.

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Post by case-ih1594 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:41 pm

re: mc comment - I was actually watching a video on Youtube yesterday "David Brown 996 4wd Snow Plowing part 2" - it is an export type 996 with Carroro axle (limited slip diff) and Sekura cab. Another video "David Brown Case 1410 turbo 4wd" shows a 1410 with Kramer axle (this is an offset drive axle). "crazy david brown action" shows someone trying to destroy a DB 1390 with DB axle.

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RE: Re: RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by Guest » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:13 pm

You're right in what you say and just to add a bit of confusion, at the time models were 'on the change' some earlier models could be found with later fitments and new models with older fitments, some could say, and quite rightly, that old models with new parts were a test bed and new models with older parts were 'using up what's left'. As for expense, actually for replacement parts, the Carraro axle was/is much cheaper than both the Kramer and D.B driven axles.

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RE: Re: RE: DB 1210 4WD is this a Kramer front axle?

Post by christy1210 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:34 pm

hello all could anyone tell me the difference between the mark 1krammer axel and the mark 2 and r the hubs the same on each axel

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