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bigbainz2
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Rubbish

Post by bigbainz2 » Wed May 09, 2012 3:17 pm

Hi all.

Just want to say that I think it's wonderful what you all do for the vast number of David brown owners be it through the web site or by or providing parts at shows and such , your dedication is second to none.

Now.. I have owned a few david browns and although I have loved the make since I was a child I have come to the conclusion that they are complete rubbish compared to my 135 and both super majors, they are forever breaking down and the hydraulics are pure junk! My 135 would lift anything I put on it even causing it to wheelie! Therefore I won't be buying anymore David browns and my 780 880 996 995 will all be going and masseys will be coming in. I've just had enough of running scrap. Sad but true.

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Post by bigbainz2 » Wed May 09, 2012 3:39 pm

There are no holes in any of my tractors! Infact there are pics of my 780 and 996 in a previous post and I will challenge you to find 2 better looked after tractors in the British isles. Fact!!

They even stay in a heated shed alongside mark 2 escorts and 6r4 metros, how many tractors get that treatment???? I bet yours don't!

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Post by bigbainz2 » Wed May 09, 2012 3:41 pm

P.s my wife doesn't even get the heat on when she asks for it
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Post by bigbainz2 » Wed May 09, 2012 4:12 pm

Blew 2 tractors up in under a month, son you shouldn't be talking to anyone about caring for machinery if that's what you are at. Sounds like a tall tale told with the David brown head screwed on

I'm a fan of David browns but I''ve just had enough of owning them. Credit where it's due the 996 is a outstanding tractor so I'm not here just to beat down on David browns.

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Post by admin » Wed May 09, 2012 4:16 pm

bigbainz2 wrote:Blew 2 tractors up in under a month, son you shouldn't be talking to anyone about caring for machinery if that's what you are at. Sounds like a tall tale told with the David brown head screwed on

I'm a fan of David browns but I''ve just had enough of owning them. Credit where it's due the 996 is a outstanding tractor so I'm not here just to beat down on David browns.
Well it certainly sounds as if you are. Go steady my friend !

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Post by richbug » Wed May 09, 2012 4:24 pm

bigbainz2 wrote:P.s my wife doesn't even get the heat on when she asks for it
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Post by Guest » Wed May 09, 2012 6:50 pm

To put things in a little perspective, it has always been the case, even from when the tractors were in production and from new, you either loved or loathed them but I don't really comprehend how anyone can state both. Yes, all makes have their inherent faults but those faults are very often amplified by the human element mainly through ignorance and lack of understanding and the the golden words, routine maintenance. The majority of other makes, particularly the Ferguson and Fords, all developed from one model, the T20, and never changed dramatically in build but had to develop due to weaknesses and failures of building heavier more powerful tractors on an early design that eventually became outdated. David Brown on the other hand developed their tractors from a design that basically never changed simply because they got the build strengths right from the very beginning and adapted that design for subsequent models. Some would ask, why then, did David Brown not continue as other tractor manufacturers have? The reason, if you have a mind to educate yourself on this, is pureley financial, nothing to do with manufacture or build. Don't foget that David Brown gave the whole World more than just agricultural machinery, they owned Vosper Thornycroft, Aston Martin and Lagonda, built all the transmissions and drive trains for military tanks, hydraulics and the landing gear for Vulcan bombers, timing gears for the Spitfire and Hawker Hurricane, all the winding gear for the Worlds mining industry, pumping gear for the water industry and a multitude of other aplications winning a bucket load of Queens awards for industry along the way. Gear production was their main industry, of which is still in production so they've not dissapeared completeley, even the restraunt on top of the Post Office tower in London revolves on a David Brown gearbox. And how many I wonder realise that he also invented the differential drive where previous, all drive that use a diff were screw driven. How many other tractor manufacturers have achieved this?, none. Never judge a book just by its cover.

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Post by nevilleporter » Wed May 09, 2012 7:04 pm

Will you take scrap price for them ? I will buy the 4 of them

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.........rubbish

Post by Madders » Wed May 09, 2012 7:25 pm

tempting, but I think I'll keep it zipped for once..... :roll:
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Post by John_Allen » Wed May 09, 2012 7:31 pm

By coincidence, I had a phone call from a friend the other day - could I take my loader (on the 995) over sometime - his 135 isn't up to loading some slates into a skip!

I've known the man since 1961 and he has always had a Fergy (TEF, 35 and the 135 from new in 1968) and I think I've driven the 135 more than anyone apart from him and it was the "second" tractor from 1972 until he retired (in 2001); a Leyland and two IH's were the main machines, the 135 didn't get a lot of work other than the loader stuff.

His brother in law started on his own farm with a 35 in 1962. He still owns in spite of it repeatedly blowing head gaskets (a common fault - I've known several do that) and, even though he has retired, still has the 35, a 240 (horrible machine) and a 362 (its bonnet was rusty within four years from new).

Because of those two friends, it is no surprise that I was a MF fanatic in my early years!
It was only after having to work with DBs that I became a convert and saw the error of my ways - the 780 leaves the 135/240 standing (or should that be slipping?) and I'd put my 995 against any 165/575 or horrible 362!

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Re: .........rubbish

Post by broadsword » Wed May 09, 2012 11:03 pm

Madders wrote:tempting, but I think I'll keep it zipped for once..... :roll:
Ditto Mr Maddison,

amazing when two of the more `forthright` speaking members of the forum decide to keep quiet.

....and to think I thought it was I who was the officialy appointed `wind-up` merchant on this site :roll:

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rubbish

Post by tomwill » Thu May 10, 2012 3:56 am

Yes Powerabbit i also heard somewhere that the gears in the Moon Buggies were made at Holmfirth i do not know how true that is. Now on to this fellow that thinks DB are rubbish well he is entitled to his opinion.I think he is a bit of a stirrer i will try and keep my comments civil He is right in one thing the Fergy is a good tractor any tractor that is 40 years or more and still working is good.However what a lot of Fergy owners do not know that there tractors are made up of a lot of DB content which includes gears, driveline components and many other things Massey Ferguson had DB trans, driveline and hyd components up to about 2002.The Ferguson tractor ,Engine ,trans, hyd good however light years behind the Selectamatic if that system is maintained properly, Traction on a pare with all the other makes but none will match a DB in the field.Bigbainz2 as i said you are entitled to your opinion i place no value on it what so ever have a good day. Tom Williams DBTC of AUST

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RE: rubbish

Post by tomwill » Thu May 10, 2012 7:46 am

Just recaping what Camb 1594 was saying, there was group of us at a ploughing contest and there was a chap saying he had 2 Fords he raved on how good they were, never let up, thats all we heard, I said to him well if you had DB you would only need the one tractor i do not think he has spoken to me since///.Cheers Tom Will

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RE: rubbish

Post by Guest » Thu May 10, 2012 8:58 am

Neighbour of mine a few years ago who all his life used Masseys and IH tractors lost an IH 956XL to a cab fire. He replaced it with a red 1594 with QD90 front loader from a local JD dealership that had it in their yard as a part exchange. My neighbour was always banging on about how good his past tractors were but the 1594 was all he could find that he thought would do the job and the price was right. He came here to load a trailer with big bale silage on a trailer for the chap who takes my grass and he was blinding and swearing whilst loading the bales and saying the tractor was a complete lump of rubbish, the loader was jerky, would not lift unless the engine was at to revs, the Hydra-Shift gearbox was slow and slipping gears, it was very hard to steer and engine was smoking like an industrial chimney. I asked him if the dealer had serviced it before he bought it and had checked it over, he said that he bought it as it stood as the dealer knew nothing about it. After he struggled to load the bales looking through the low hanging cloud of smoke I told him to follow me around the tractor and inspect a few things. This is what I found, the loader would not lift properly for two reasons, firtly, the drive shaft and couplings on the hydraulic pump were so worn the shaft was slipping, secondly, on pulling the rear end dipstick there was no oil showing on it, that's also why the loader was sloiw and jerky and why the gears were slipping, thirdly, the injector pump was advanced too far and no oil much in it, and fourth, the steering, there was almost no oil in the reservoir. I told him what he had to do to service the tractor, levels of oil and grades, replace the gearbox filters, fuel and air filters, front pump shaft and couplings and turn the injector pump back and fill it with oil. This he did and after doing so and working the tractor for some time after, concluded that 'it's the best tractor I've ever had'. I told him to get a handbook for it and read it, I suggest the original poster does the same.

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RE: rubbish

Post by SteveCollett » Thu May 10, 2012 10:04 am

As a 13 year old with our new 780 in my first ploughing match
A sticky day on heavy land
I was very proud when the judge commented that my little tractor had shown all the 135`s dextas etc a clean pair of heels when it came to pulling a plough :D
And he was a massey man

Only trouble was that he did not rate the pilot quite as well on his performance :(

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